It is logical to think gay marriage won't be taught in school but indeed logic fails us this time. This video shows what is taught in Massachusetts schools.

BUT IT'S BEGUN IN CA TOO. A Hayward California elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day" last week http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6467358 and first graders were taken on a field trip as thier female teacher and female partner were married in San Francisco this very month on October 10th, 2008.

Gay marriage WILL be taught to be just as good as same-sex marriage if we do not Pass Proposition 8. Please vote YES on 8.

Maryland court states Law Does Not Deny Basic Rights, Is Not Biased, Court Rules

Courts in Maryland ruled that discrimination does not take place nor are constitutional rights denied in thier laws that prohibit same-gender marriage, but rather protect the state's interest to have and protect children. See Washington Post article, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/18/AR2007091802177.html
Md. Ban On Gay Marriage Is Upheld; Law Does Not Deny Basic Rights, Is Not Biased, Court Rules By Lisa Rein and Mary Otto; Washington Post Staff Writers;
Wednesday, September 19, 2007; Page A01

Is marriage really taught in schools and will Prop 8 affect that?

As for Marriage being taught in schools, perhaps you are not familiar with the case in Massachusets where a Kindergartner was taught that same-sex marriage was an equal choice to traditional marraige through the book, "A King and a King," which shows two men kissing on the last page. THe child came home and told mom and dad about this "silly book" at school.

The family requested to be notified next time the topic was taught so that they could also have a family discussion.

The school refused, the school board and the family lost a court case as well, because as a state the society decided that marriage had a new definition.
A video with a source on this exact case can be seen at:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1815820715/bctid1822459319

SAN FRANCISCO in our own California has another example where a first grade field trip was taken to a lesbian wedding. The news article from TV that day can be seen at:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=10199821

Cheer it or boo it - there are deep consequences to ponder before you vote on Prop 8.

I am YES on 8.

Will churches loose rights if Prop 8 doesn't pass?

I recently had a conversation with someone who said that churches can't be forced to marry someone if Prop 8 doesn't pass. I agreed.

However, it is very probable that THERE WILL BE WAYS TO MAKE A CHURCH DECIDE BETWEEN CANNON AND A NEW DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE BY THE STATE. Gay couples are calling for tolerance. But if, under the new definition/law, a church who holds a traditional marriage view will be termed as intolerant and there will be the same fired-up people in this debate that will then ask,
"Why are tax-exempt benefits going to this church that teaches and practices discrimination?"

I fear that the cries for tolerance will be reversed and that churches that hold differing beliefs of marriage will feel like they are not being tolerated instead.

The legal cases that I cite elsewhere in my blog indicate that while churches cannot be forced to marry anyone, there are real-life and serious consequences to a redefining of the term marriage.

I CARE FOR ALL MY NEIGHBORS OF ALL LIFESTYLE CHOICES, and I am convinced that they have the rights they need and deserve under the California Domestic Partnership laws (adoption of a partner's child, hospital visitation, retirement at the death of a partner, etc) and that California will be it's strongest without redefining marriage.

I will vote YES on 8. To learn more please visit http://www.protectmarriage.com/

How will you vote on Prop 8?

This video is simple and respectful of both sides. Please take a moment to watch it to be the informed voter that we all want to be.

Are you deciding how to vote on Proposition 8?

Now is the time to decide what standard we want to set together as a group of citizens in a state. I am convinced that maintaining the traditional definition of marriage is best for the whole of society, even if not as accommodating as one social interest group would like.

I like ___THE PEBBLE IN THE POND ANALOGY___ because the waves that hit the shore and where they hit are the real issue here.
America is great! I spoke with my 9 year old today because of an unkind act to a neighbor on this issue. He clearly understood that if we lose our FREE SPEECH, we lose one of the greatest things about being American.

I am ALSO grateful to be able to excercise my Freedom of Religion. It is becoming evident that a failure to Pass Prop 8 would begin to encroach on that very right.
Gay couples are calling for tolerance. But if, under the new definition/law, a church who holds a traditional marriage view will be termed as intolerant and there will be the same fired-up people in this debate that will then ask,
"Why are tax-exempt benefits going to this church that teaches and practices discrimination?"

This intolerance-in-reverse and the lawsuits that have already begun one type of wave that will hit the shore long after the rock has been thrown.

Quoting NPR (National Public Radio)
“Same-sex couples are challenging religious organizations' policies that exclude them, claiming that a group's view that gay marriage is a sin cannot be used to violate their right to equal treatment. So far, the religious groups are losing.”

Below I cite an article done recently by NPR that shows the real legal cases that are happening now related to gay relationships and society. The article shows that we need to foresee the waves that will hit the shore before we throw the rock, as so many people are trying to point out. Summarizing NPR:


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486191


There are consequences to a failure to pass Prop 8.

Families are the Legos of society. When families are strong and practice kindness and hard work and other desired attributes, then the society exhibits these traits.

I support YES on Prop 8 because of this underlying belief.

Now this doesn’t mean that same-sex couples can’t raise loving children that contribute great things to society. Indeed they can. However I do not see a need to redefine marriage away from the only biologically capable union that can bear children.

I am so glad that California already ensured to gays the rights they need and deserve under the California Domestic Partnership laws (adoption of a partner's child, hospital visitation, retirement at the death of a partner, etc). Therefore this issue is not about rights.

It is about the definition of the word __marriage__.

I BELIEVE CALIFORNIANS CAN CHOOSE THIER LIFESTYLES AND THE WAY THEY TEACH THE NEXT GENERATION without redefining “marriage.” The consequences of that new definition will change what California is for me and for my grandkids.

I will vote YES on 8.

Who is voting YES on 8 and why?

Don't gay couples deserve to be happy?

Will gay rights be changed if Prop 9 passes?

I can be kind to my neighbors, no matter their lifestyle, and still vote Yes On Proposition 8.

There is an automatic conflict between religous freedom and gay rights that is unavoidable.

A response to a discussion on Prop 8:

I think religion and religious liberties are being confused here.

There is an automatic conflict between religous freedom and gay rights that is unavoidable. Kindness and respect belong there and should be bettered by some. Nevertheless, there is a conflict. The very fabric of one's life is based upon standards and values that are at the core of the decisions he/she makes. If the term _marraige_ becomes redefined, many will be forced to choose between the deep values they hold or tolerance. To heed the cries of tolerance, they will have to actually condone the choice and sacrifice deep personal values.

There are really two diasadvantaged groups here.

I can indeed give "one negative effect Prop 8 will have on society." or a few.

It comes in the form of lawsuits over this emotional conflict between core standards and this possible new definition.

An posting quoted in a similar thread states:

"__An article by NPR, National Public Radio, which is not fired up by emotion or opinion, cited many examples happening NOW that show the consequences of the choice we make on NOVEMBER 4TH:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486191

Excerpts:
Not only did Catholic Charities stop ADOPTION SERVICES they had done for generations (a loss to the New York community indeed) because they would not place children in same-sex homes, but a similar case IN CALIFORNIA has already take place. The name of the group is Adoption Profiles and they no longer facilitate adoptions in CA.

PRIVATE CHURCH SCHOOLS are impacted. NPR cites one case underway for a suspension of a lesbian couple at California Lutheran High School and another has concluded that the Orthodox Jewish College, Yeshiva University's Albert Einstein College of Medicine, must be forced to allow same-sex couples in their married dorms. Without cheering or booing the outcome, it is clear that there are legal consequences to Prop 8.

CONSEQUENCES TO MEDICAL FIELD - A gynecologist with North Coast Women's Care Medical Group in Vista, CA refused inviter treatments to a lesbian couple for religious beliefs and is currently being sued. According to NPR, "legal experts believe that the woman's right to medical treatment will trump the doctor's religious beliefs. One justice suggested that the doctors take up a different line of business." Another case involving counseling to better a lesbian couple's relationship ended with a fired counselor and a lost court case. There are LeGAL ConsEQUENcES to Prop 8.

YOUTH GROUPS are being denied facilities such as the Boy Scouts of America in Berkeley, California and San Diego. The California Supreme Court has been asked to review the Boy Scouts' leases, and similarly, in Philadelphia the Boy Scout lease on a city building has been revoked.

So again I say that while churches cannot be forced to marry anyone, there are real-life and serious consequences to a redefining of the term marriage.__"

There are serious consequences to the choice we make.
A short, kind video worth watching to help make this decision is found at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-GjWY-WlA

I have already voted YES on 8. To help make your decision please visit http://whatisprop8.com/